Joel, "Real funny. But that is a slightly different meaning of these words. De Jure is more like what will be. And De Facto is when it came about. For instance, take Matthew 13 verse 14 and 15 which says, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. .. Now this was deJure, and in Acts 28 it became De Facto."

Tommy, "Dejure then means something that will occur, and De facto means that it happened?"

Joel, "That is it."

Dan, "Okay then, my next question was why was it necessary to preach to the "spirits in prison"?  If they are fallen angels, what benefit is that preaching to them? "

Tommy, "Yes, that is something that I want to hear a response to as well."

Joel, "Okay, first I would just like to remind you that the word rendered "preached" is not the usual word euangelizo, but the emphatic word kerusso; which means to proclaim as a herald.  Even so Christ heralded His victory over death, and the proclamation of this reached to the utmost bounds of creation. Another thing that we need to realizes is that what is spoken of here is called "Tartarus" and occurs one time in the Biblical text to denote a holding place for messengers, which is translated angels in other places, "til" judgment which indicates an eventual release from this place.

Now you shouldn't be surprised at such things. Peter alludes to the subject just as though it were well-known and understood by his correspondents. "If the angels that sinned.", what are angels? If they were cast down to Tartarus, where is the story related? Not in the Bible. Nope, but in a book well-known at the time, called the Book of Enoch. Why did Peter quote from it? Just as men now quote from the classics not sanctioning the truth of the quotation but to illustrate and enforce a proposition. Nothing is more common than for writers to quote fables: "As the tortoise said to the hare," in Aesop. "As the sun said to the wind," etc. We have the same practice illustrated in the Bible. Joshua, after a poetical quotation adorning his narrative, says: "Is not this written in the Book of Jasher? Josh. 10:13 and Jeremiah 48:45 says: "A fire shall come forth out of Heshbon," quoting from an ancient poet. Peter alludes to this ancient legend to illustrate the certainty of retribution without any intention of teaching the notions of angels falling from heaven or for human spirits not returning  to God, and certainly not meaning to sanction the then prevalent notions concerning the heathen Tartarus. There is this alternative only. Either the pagan doctrine is true and the heathen got ahead of inspiration by ascertaining the facts before the authors of the Bible learned it. As it was currently accepted centuries before Christ and is certainly not taught in the Old Testament. Or Peter quotes it as Jesus refers to Mammon rhetorically to illustrate the great fact of retribution he was instilling. The problem with this verse is If true, how can anyone account for the fact that it is never referred to in the Bible, before or after this once? Besides, these angels are not to be detained always in Tartarus, they are to be released. The language is, "delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment." When their judgment comes, they emerge from duress. They only remain in Tartarus "unto judgment." Their imprisonment is not endless so that the language gives no proof of endless punishment even if it be a literal description.

Even so, whether it be a truth or not, does not matter, even today there is a manifold wisdom that is being proclaimed, revealed, by the building up of the Body of Christ. This manifold wisdom of God has been revealed and is being revealed to heavenly beings, principalities, and powers. Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now to the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: ... Chapter 3 of Ephesians tells you that heavenly beings, called principalities and powers, are learning through this church. God's building it up, by His manifold wisdom. Now that is not human beings learning. Heavenly beings are having an object lesson. And God is calling out every member and building this church. They are learning something of His manifold wisdom. They are eagerly watching. In another place we are told that it is the angel's desire to look into. Fancy heavenly beings wanting to look into and understand what is going on the earth. The scriptures says so. And these are heavens nobility. They are the first ones. That is the meaning of the word principalities. Heavens nobility are watching your up building and the gathering out those who are chosen in Christ in Him before the foundation of the world."

Dan,"That is an interesting peace of truth. Your saying that what is quoted might not be a true thing, but if it is, it is referring to the Angels that are placed in prison. Interesting. So, your saying in either case, it is not referring to human spirits."

Joel, "That is correct. Do you fully understand it?

Dan, "I think I do."

Joel, "Okay, then now to your last part of the question. I think it was, wow does 1 Pet 3:18 relate to 1 Pet 4:6? And are the subjects being preached at on 4:6 same as those in 3:18?  If so, isn't 4:6 speaking of humans as the subjects?"

Dan, "Yes, that was it."

Joel, "We have to ask ourselves What has actually been said? What was said before the verse? What was said after the verse? Who was being spoken about? And sometimes even have to go and look at the language to see what words were actually used. These are the questions I really need to ask my self about. And if I can answer them then I can answer your question.

So why don't we pick this up from the first verse in Peters first book chapter 4. This is what we find. For as much then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: Both Paul and Peter deal with this question of the mind of Christ and its relationship to the believer. What we need to first get clear in our minds is this. That neither Peter nor Paul ask us to have a complete grip of the mind of Christ. Why? Because such a thing would be truly impossible. The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. Neither of these two Apostles ask this. But what they do is ask us to consider certain aspects of the mind of Christ. And for those who are following Christ, let this aspect follow them.  Let it be in your thinking. Paul had one aspect in Philippians, and this is Peter's aspect. Peter takes the question of suffering as part of the mind of Christ. arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased, which means rested, literally, from sin; With this mind we follow in the footsteps in the one who is rejected by men. We read then

4:2: That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. There can't be anything more wonderful than when at last our lives are modeled on the will of the Lord. 4:3: For the time past of our life may suffice us to have worked the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revelings, parties, and abominable idolatries: Pretty much self explanatory. 4:4: Wherein they think it strange that you run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: This is self explanatory too. 4:5: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

There is a time says the Apostle Peter, when account has got to be given. Which will give account to HIM. That is ready, He is on the point to judge both the living and the dead. And if you will note what he says in verse 7 4:7: But the end of all things is at hand: be you therefore sober, and watch to prayer. Turn around and repent and He will come back. Be sober, meaning literally, salvation minded. The Holy Spirit starts with the mind, because it is the mind that is all wrong. So every true believer should have this mind, salvation minded. Healthy, balanced mind. It is the greatest of all blessings to have this mind. Look for the Lord's hand. Look for the Lord's leading. That is what is all around this verse that is being put into question. The mind. So verse 4:6 is talking about the mind as well. It says:

4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The bearing of this on 1Peter 4:6 will be better seen if we note that we have nekroi meaning people who were then dead, but who had had the Gospel preached to them while they were alive; and this is confirmed by the Greek Particle, men in the next clause, which is ignored both by the Authorized Version and Revised Version. The verse reads like this, I am going to emphasize it for understanding. : "For to this end to those who are (now) dead was the Gospel preached, that though they might be judged in the flesh, according to [the will of] men, yet they might live [again, in resurrection], according to [the will of] God, as regards [the] spirit"; that is in spiritual bodies, spoken of in 1Corinthians 15:44, 45. The word preached that is used in this verse is euangelizo which means to announce a joyful message; having regard to the matter announced and not the manner, which is contained in kerusso which means to proclaim, which does not mean teach. The conclusion then to your question is that 1Peter 3:18 does not relate to 1 Pet 4:6 in any death aspect or judgement. 1Peter 3:18 was not a good news. It was a proclamation of bad news. Of Victory. Not of the Gospel. So again, 1Peter 3:18 is not talking about Humans in it subject matter."

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